Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

General Information & Facts Pertaining To The German Model 1888 Commission Rifle
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Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby nz68muzz » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:34 pm

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Recently I purchased an interesting Gew 88 with commercial proof markings, it is marked G.Mod.88 making it a 1889 or early 1890 production run,
it still has the completely round end nut on the bolt and is fully matching apart from two parts on the bolt with all other parts having 57 stamped on them including the rear sling attachment which is correct for this early model. I am trying to find some information about the two proof marks on the right hand side of the receiver, there are plenty of Nitro proofs and a beautiful 2,75g G.B.P St.m.G with no maker marking on top of the receiver. :D
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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby orbill » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:35 am

Nice looking old firearm
A friend said I love guns too much, I said we can't be friends anymore. :lol:

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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby gamblrgrogan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:31 pm

That is one fine looking rifle :mrgreen: I can't remember off hand who the maker could be will see if I can find out might help tracking down those proof marks on receiver

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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby Admin » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:41 pm

Very nice looking indeed and not often seen in that configuration, a Gew88 in full military hardware with civilian proof marks 8-) I beleive the stamps youre asking about are factory acceptance marks i will check to see if i can find any more info in my files. Suhl was known not to mark their commercial Gew88 leaving to gunsmiths and commercial sellers like AKAH and ALFA pre WW1 some were mounted with claw mounted scopes
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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby nz68muzz » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:07 pm

Thanks for feed back on this, the Proof is a capital "D" with crown and may be from the exporter ?
I believe that this Gew was made up from surplus parts left over once the army order was for filled and sold on the international market to somewhere like South Africa or Brazil who would not have cared who the maker was, the Nitro proofing 2,75g G.B.P St.m.G was used from 1891 to 1912 so it was defiantly pre WW1, the whole rifle is in pretty good shape with a mint barrel which has not been fired much, the only let down is the stoch had been cracked through the wrist and glued and pinned but is original to the gun, I can see the remains of an "A" on the top of the receiver so could have been a surplus AMBERG receiver which has had the maker marks removed ? Does anyone have a safety or cocking part for the bolt with 57 on it to complete this gem, I have heeps of parts for swaps ;)
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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby Admin » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:41 pm

nz68muzz wrote:Thanks for feed back on this, the Proof is a capital "D" with crown and may be from the exporter ? ;)
No sorry didnt mean to confuse those two marks are acceptance marks for hardness and assembly with two Crowned Fraktur's on your receiver that would indicate depot manufacture three would be factory and four has been re-barreled with the powder charge stamps they were used up until 1912 when it was shortened showing only bullet weight and type hope this helps some

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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby americal71 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:34 pm

The marks you are referring to are British proof marks required on any foreign weapon imported into the UK and later exported. These are fairly common on M1 garands exported through Britain after WWII. British dealers imported surplus weapons, had them proofed and then exported them to wherever there was a market. Never seen one on this model before - may be unique (until another shows up)

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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby nz68muzz » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:53 pm

Hi and thank you for your input, I have been researching 1900 era proof marks for a while now and yes some arms were British Birmingham Proofed when imported being stamped "BP" in a circle then later "NP" with arm & Scimitar on top and finally "BNP" with caliber TON rating which you are talking about, they also stamped their company LOGO and address on the breach, "This Gew is not British Proofed" the closest example of this Gothic "D" and crown is on a 1902 Commercial Luger assembled and proofed in DANZIG, here are the remaining photo's of the Commercial Gew. :P
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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby nz68muzz » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:18 pm

Hey guys it looks like I had the answer all the time, just looked in the gun room at some of my 71/84 bayonets and found the acceptance Fraktur "D" on a V.C.SCHILLING 71/84 made in 1888, being a commercial company its acceptance marks did not have the Imperial crown having a royal looking crown instead, I also have a C.G.HAENEL 71/84 bayonet made in 1887 that has a "H" and royal crown acceptance Fraktur marking which I have included in photo's. It looks like my Gew 88 was made up from parts by V.C.SHILLING in SUHL and sold on the commercial market, I just need to find out who to?
A batch of Gew 88's were bought by the Ulster Volunteer Force in Ireland pre WW1 but were confiscated by the British. :geek:
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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby gamblrgrogan » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:24 pm

Good job noticing that Fractur "D" on your bayonet solving that mystery not sure how to trace where rifle was sent to and thats a nice pair of bayonets you got there :mrgreen:
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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby nz68muzz » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:52 pm

Hi Ed, thanks for your input I will try and research commercial gun sales from SUHL pre WW1
There is one other thing that is different on this commercial, the rear sight is 1" 1/8 forward on the barrel shroud than the standard military issue :shock: See photo for comparison, excuse photo of the home security guard cat.
I am after a bolt head for one of my other Gew 88 restorations, do you want to swap emails and see what parts we can trade?
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Re: Commercial GEW 88 Rifle

Unread postby gamblrgrogan » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:49 am

That's one tough security guard cat you got there :lol: . Interesting about the rear sight being more forward on your commercial 88 than military rifles and picture with soldier wearing a steel helmet carrying a Gew88 are not seen often either i think :shock: P.M. sent